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Psychologist Gad Saad weighs in on Amber Heard-Johnny Depp trial on JRE

Bruno Cooke May 12, 2022
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During episode 1,816 of The Joe Rogan Experience, the podcast host interviewed Gad Saad, a Lebanese-born Canadian professor of marketing – inevitably, the men got to discussing the ongoing Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard defamation case. What did they have to say about it?

Gad Saad and Joe Rogan on the ongoing Johnny Depp-Amber Heard trial

“I’m sure you’re watching this Johnny Depp-Amber Heard trial,” Rogan says, after talking about what makes a person attractive or unattractive. Saad appeared on episode 1,816 of Joe Rogan’s podcast The Joe Rogan Experience. They talked about lots of things – among them, Depp v Heard.

“I watched a bit of it, yes,” Saad says.

Rogan then goes on to describe Amber Heard’s face as “perfect”, although he also claims it’s “kind of fading now”. This, he suggests – though not in as many words – is as a result of the pressure of the trial.

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“She’s genetically gifted and she’s got an amazing face structure… she has a perfect face. I think at one point in time she was voted the most beautiful woman alive.”

Gad Saad then offers his thoughts on Johnny Depp and Amber Heard’s former relationship, and the ongoing defamation case.

Gad Saad offers his psychological interpretation of Amber Heard and Johnny Depp’s relationship

“The melange, the combination of the two personalities, was the perfect combustible fire,” Saad says. 

It is significant, he argues, that Johnny Depp is “much older” than Amber Heard – he argues that, as a result, Depp is “pathologically jealous” of her.

The age difference between Depp and Heard is 22 years. Others with experience of being in a relationship with a 22-year age gap have urged commentators to “stop bringing their age gap into it”.

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Saad talks about the way Heard looks and the way she behaves. Saad claims Amber Heard is “toning down her beauty” to appear more sympathetic. “She’s not showing up, you know?”

He is convinced, he says, that Heard “can trigger jealousy in even the most secure guy”, owing to her appearance and manner.

“So you take a rather narcissistic girl and a guy who is fading… he’s much older than her… they feed off each other.”

Listen to the whole episode on Spotify here. The point at which Gad Saad and Joe Rogan start talking about Amber Heard and Johnny Depp is about 22 minutes in.

Who is Saad and has he been on the podcast before?

Born 13 October 1964, Gad Saad is a professor of marketing at Concordia University in Montreal.

He writes a blog, Homo Consumericus, for Psychology Today and hosts YouTube channel The Saad Truth. Since 2020, he’s held the Concordia University Research chair in evolutionary behavioural sciences and Darwinian consumption. 

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Some people call him “The Gadfather”. Over the years, he’s cropped up in numerous Canadian, US and international news outlets – the Toronto Star, The Economist, Time and The New York Times, to name a few.

He is a regular guest on Joe Rogan’s podcast – episode 1,816, in which Gad Saad offers his take on Amber Heard and Johnny Depp’s relationship, marks his seventh JRE appearance. The other episodes in which he features are numbers 519, 681, 766, 837, 985 and 1,557.

Johnny Depp is suing Amber Heard for defamation because of an op-ed she published in the Washington Post in 2018. Heard is countersuing Depp. The trial is set to continue.

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Bruno is a novelist, amateur screenwriter and journalist with interests in digital media, storytelling, film and politics. He’s lived in France, China, Sri Lanka and the Philippines, but returned to the UK for a degree (and because of the pandemic) in 2020. His articles have appeared in Groundviews, Forge Press and The Friday Poem, and most are readable on Medium or